tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4134750084087927747.post8291759967188282461..comments2023-10-15T06:44:30.195-06:00Comments on Ode to Black Dougal: Under a vampire's spellP_Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12374589162025099763noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4134750084087927747.post-88968955607875006412010-05-04T07:47:20.327-06:002010-05-04T07:47:20.327-06:00I would say it's a different effect that suppr...I would say it's a different effect that suppresses any arcane or divine abilities. I would also make outright suicide impossible, but giving their necks to the vampire would be allowed.David The Archmagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649391406526258069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4134750084087927747.post-84157726912951559952010-05-02T20:54:24.312-06:002010-05-02T20:54:24.312-06:00As above... if errata had existed way back then, t...As above... if errata had existed way back then, the naming of this vampiric ability <b>charm</b> would surely have been altered.rainswepthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06165059567790555748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4134750084087927747.post-73671165220381470252010-05-01T23:21:26.863-06:002010-05-01T23:21:26.863-06:00I think that one of the things that throws me is t...I think that one of the things that throws me is that "charm" in the vampire description is bolded which usually means a spell name in most B/X writings.P_Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374589162025099763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4134750084087927747.post-1887075050034110292010-05-01T12:07:05.242-06:002010-05-01T12:07:05.242-06:00What Jayson said. Vampire charm should be called ...What Jayson said. Vampire charm should be called "mesmerize". That is how it looks like to me in every B/W vampire movie I've ever seen.Norman J. Harman Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01319655075997712313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4134750084087927747.post-91168456350142211572010-05-01T03:25:39.116-06:002010-05-01T03:25:39.116-06:00The "cannot use spells or magic" bit is ...The "cannot use spells or magic" bit is suggestive to me of an almost sleepwalking thrall (befuddled beyond concentration), as opposed to the "sorry bud, can't help ya there" situation one can get into w/ a typical Charm--they still have some volition but they're less suspicious than Drac's slaaaaves..Jaysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03652611193354218021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4134750084087927747.post-48871953627589370162010-05-01T01:45:49.598-06:002010-05-01T01:45:49.598-06:00More generally, there's a temptation in advent...More generally, there's a temptation in adventure design - call it "magical naturalism" - to have the spell lists available to players define the limits of magic in the world. You can't have a magical effect in a dungeon unless it's plausibly McGyvered together from the spell lists and permanency. Monsters always cast from the spell lists. And so on.<br /><br />I prefer magic to be mysterious. This is hard when half your player's classes rely on magic abilities that are rule-limited and out in the open. One way to get the mystery back is to have other sources of magic break the rules - or have unknown rules that must be learned by trial and costly error.Roger G-Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08594440701279968693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4134750084087927747.post-60562439400557531032010-04-30T22:27:47.241-06:002010-04-30T22:27:47.241-06:00Yeah, I hate to get into this kind of discussion (...Yeah, I hate to get into this kind of discussion (it sounds like the kind of house-rules, use-in-context, what's-the-situation determination to me)...but F it. I go with Jeff on this one. "Charm" is a particular type of effect that might as well be called "mind control." CHARM PERSON is a 1st level spell, CHARM MONSTER is a 4th level spell, and a vampire's CHARM is a third, different thing. <br /><br />It appears obvious from the Basic set (for example) that the a character able to act to "the best of its ability" can use spells, which is clearly different from the vampire power. I would use this as the basis of saying they are two different things.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532311924539491087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4134750084087927747.post-3540869315426721782010-04-30T20:49:38.656-06:002010-04-30T20:49:38.656-06:00They look like two different charm abilities to me...They look like two different charm abilities to me, with a vampire able to order his victim's to commit suicide.Jeff Rientshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17493878980535235896noreply@blogger.com